Guest Post: It’s Time to Fix the WEP

U.S. Representative Kevin Brady (R-Texas)

By Kevin Brady, Chairman
U.S. House Ways and Means Committee

The Windfall Elimination Provision or “WEP” is unfair. It’s unfair to public servants in Texas and across the nation, including places like California, Massachusetts and Ohio.  I’ve been working to repeal and replace the WEP for a decade. This is something we must do for our teachers, firefighters, police, and other public servants.

You probably know the history: When Social Security was created in 1935, state and local governments were excluded from participating due to Constitutional concerns.  Later, the law changed to allow state and local governments to offer Social Security to their employees.

As a result, many teachers, police, and firefighters still contribute to these longstanding retirement plans instead of Social Security since these substitute plans are often tailored to their chosen careers.  But many of these public servants also hold second (or third) jobs or have a second career where they’ve paid Social Security taxes. These folks rightfully expect to receive their earned Social Security benefits when they retire.  However, due to the WEP, their Social Security benefits end up being much lower than they were expecting.

Although the WEP may have been well intentioned in the start, today it’s simply unfair. Those affected by the WEP are subject to a different benefit formula than all other workers.  This arbitrary formula is based on a 1980’s one-size-fits-all Washington compromise and ignores a person’s actual work history.  The WEP also makes it harder to plan for retirement since the reduction doesn’t show up on a worker’s Social Security statement. When you are nearing retirement, surprises are never a good thing.

I think we can all agree that our teachers, police, and firefighters deserve better.

Working with my Democratic colleague from Massachusetts, Representative Richard Neal, and teacher, police, firefighter, and retiree groups, we’ve come together on a solution for addressing the WEP based on fairness, equal treatment and personal work histories.

Here’s how it would work.  The new proposal repeals the WEP as it exists today. Instead of only counting Social Security earnings as the current WEP does, we count all earnings of workers. This helps tailor benefits to your real-life work history.  This “proportional approach” calculates Social Security benefits using all earnings and then adjusts this amount based on the percentage of earnings that were subject to Social Security taxes.  This way, two workers with the same average earnings receive a Social Security benefit equal to the same percentage of their Social Security earnings.

Let’s look at an example for two teachers – one from Virginia who paid Social Security taxes on all of her earnings and another from Texas, who paid into a substitute retirement system like TRS but also tutored and paid Social Security taxes on these earnings.  Both teachers had average monthly earnings of $4,000.  The Virginia teacher had all of these earnings counted for Social Security purposes, while the Texas teacher only had $2,285 credited toward her Social Security benefits.

Under today’s law, the Virginia teacher would receive an initial monthly benefit of $1,776 if she claims at her full retirement age. That represents about 44 percent of her pre-retirement Social Security earnings.  On the other hand, because of the WEP the Texas teacher under today’s laws would only receive a monthly benefit of $800, which represents about 35 percent of pre-retirement Social Security earnings.

Under the new proposed “proportional approach”, the Virginia teacher would still receive a monthly benefit of $1,776.  But the Texas teacher would receive a monthly benefit of $1,015, which represents 44 percent of her pre-retirement Social Security earnings – or the same percentage as the Virginia teacher.

While the new proportional formula addresses the WEP for future retirees, we cannot leave current retirees behind. Our plan provides Social Security relief to current retirees affected by the WEP by providing special payments to these retirees. That’s only fair.

ATPE’s Monty Exter, Carl Garner, and Gary Godsey met with U.S. Rep. Kevin Brady in June 2017 to discuss fixing the WEP.

Over the years – with the help of groups like the Association of Texas Professional Educators, Texas Retired Teachers Association and Mass Retirees – we have taken important steps toward finally fixing the WEP.  With your help, we will finally ensure equal treatment for our teachers, firefighters, police, and other public servants.

This is a top priority for me, and we will not rest until we have a solution in law.

 

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43 thoughts on “Guest Post: It’s Time to Fix the WEP

  1. Deann Lee

    There aren’t enough thanks for Congressman Brady’s tireless efforts in gaining SS equity. Even though I, personally, won’t receive any SS, the thousands upon thousands who have paid in deserve the same benefits as every other American who will get their benefits for the same time worked & dollar amount contributed.

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  2. Elaine Hutzelman

    Dear Representative Brady:
    I am thankful that someone recognizes the unfairness of this program. I taught in Ohio and paid into the Ohio Teachers Retirement program. I then moved to TX and worked for a gas pipeline company for 9 years. I was laid off and returned to teaching where I paid into TRS-there was no choice. The entire time I was a teacher in TX I had a part time job for years and paid into SS as well , so I earned over 40 quarters. No one believes me when I tell them that I can’t receive all my SS-they are in disbelief. TX uses a special formula to determine what percent of my SS I should receive, as I don’t receive all of it,even though I paid into it for many years. This is punitive and discriminatory towards certain groups of people to withold what they are due. Thanks for your work in letting others know how egregious this current policy is. In addition to that, retired teachers in TX haven’t had a raise in 13 some years. What other state employee is treated such as this? We have lost more than 30% of our purchasing power by not keeping up with the yearly cost of living. What does TRS do with their allotted money-it would be interesting to discover just why the average retired teacher here makes about $24,000 annually-a pathetic amount of money to live on after receiving a college education. Is there another profession that treats its retirees so meagerly, and then tops it off by increasing their portion of their healthcare program? Whatever you can do to right this wrong would be appreciated by those of us who find ourselves still working after retiring. I am 72 and I forsee no “real” retirement” until my health deteriorates such that I can no longer work to supplement my annuity.

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  3. CHRIS LADD

    Rep. Kevin Brady, please ELIMINATE WEP. It is totally unfair and unjust. We have worked all our lives, sometimes in private industry, paying into the Social Security System and sometimes for a government agency, that did not take contributions to SS. Now, our SS benefits are reduced, because of our government pensions, and it is quite a surprise when you apply for your SS benefits and find out THEN that part of your earned $$ is going to be taken from you. IT IS NEVER INDICATED ON OUR SS BENEFITS LETTERS and is a well kept secret. We voted for change…we voted to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN & support President Trump, but we never hear what is going to be done for those of us that are senior citizens and retirees and need ALL our EARNED SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY. We just keep paying, paying, paying while others pay zero…the injustice is so disturbing. We aren’t looking for a hand out, no free ride, no free perks…just ALL OF WHAT WE EARNED…SOUNDS PRETTY FAIR TO ME. PLEASE HEAR OUR PLEA’S AND THANK YOU FOR HELPING US SENIORS AND RETIREES…it doesn’t seem anyone else is. H. R. 235 was introduced 1/7/2009 and has been stagnant since.

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  4. Karen Billings

    WEP is absolutely unfair! My husband taught public school in Maine for 26 years, took early retirement, and became a self-employed lobsterman. Unless this law is repealed, he will only receive a small portion of what he has paid into Social Security. My mother is a retired teacher and when my Dad passed, she was not allowed to have 1/2 of his SS income.
    Thank you for your persistence.

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  5. Sharon B.

    In regards to Social Security Public Law 98-21 which implemented the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) and Government Pension Offset (GPO). My opinion is that it is discriminatory, theft and possibly a violation of seniors’ civil rights! These penalties affect only a small percentage of seniors who were employed in some capacity at federal, state and local government entities no matter the length of employment.

    I, for one, paid into social security 20 plus years, then due to unforeseen circumstances worked 14.5 years in county government. I EARNED ALL MY SOCIAL SECURITY CREDITS YET AM AFFECTED BY BOTH WEP AND GPO! Imagine the surprise of being penalized on a retirement you planned on and then find out you are not going to get it after all because it is too late by the time you retire, all because, I would venture to say, like me, no one knew of these penalties!

    I suspect most people affected are too old to fight for their rights not knowing how to use social media or just take it in the rear and move on as fighting the government seems to be a lost cause. The government most likely thinks we are all almost dead so why bother.

    THE VERY DEFINITION OF WINDFALL DOES NOT FIT THE CRITERIA FOR THE PENALTIES IMPOSED. Perhaps this law was enacted because a large number of these government employees had large pensions and they threw us lower wage earners in (women) so it would appear equal??

    Millionaires, billionaires and, if you will, those that are recipients of a true windfall will receive their full social security benefits, therefore making it difficult for someone who earned all their social security credits (and widowed to boot) to understand why a government pension and/or social security is considered a windfall!

    Following are a few points to my circumstance, however, I am sure each person affected has their own individual circumstances.

    I am now 65 years of age

    Widowed at 38 (husband died at 40)

    Husband worked for State of California-I received a small lump sum but they told me I could not get his pension because they did not know how to calculate it

    Did not receive any social security for myself after his death but received between four and five hundred dollars/month for my daughter for four and one-half years

    My son was in the military but became mentally disabled after father’s death and two years ago had a traumatic brain injury. He receives a small SSDI benefit but I support him to keep him off streets

    I retired at 60 to care for my son, my mother and physical problems of my own

    I receive govt pension (14.5 years) and for 20 plus years in the private sector, a small pension from Boeing and a small amount from social security which is penalized by WEP and would be penalized more for my husband’s social security by GPO.

    ONE FINAL NOTE: I FOUND IT QUITE UNFAIR THAT CONGRESS DID NOT PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY UNTIL UNDER THIS SAME LAW WHERE WE WERE PENALIZED THEY DECIDED TO BEGIN PAYING SO THEY WOULD NOT BE PENALIZED-WE DID NOT EVEN KNOW ANY OF THIS WAS HAPPENING AND HAD NO CHOICE NOR NOTIFIED UNTIL WE WENT TO SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE!

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  6. Peter Martinez

    I am a 60 year old maintenance worker with 21 years federal civil service who payed in to social security. my retirement is supposed to be made up three pieces thrift savings the largest piece of my retirement with social security being the second largest piece and a small annuity, because my job was contracted out after 21 years I went to work for the state of colorado, and because i work for the state i am told that i won’t get my full benefit from social security this is so unfair and i want to thank you for all your work on this God bless your efforts

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  7. Thankful in Colorado

    Thanks to Kevin Brady who is working in a bipartisan manner to replace an extremely unfair WEP program. I wish lawmakers in other states such as Colorado would be as supportive of their teachers, firefighters and policemen as Senator Brady.

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  8. Peter Weigle

    Thank you for your affords… I have over 33 years under social security full-time and still through WEP they took 10 percent of my social security benefit. My income is just above the poverty level, so the money is much needed…

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  9. Richard J Victorson

    With “WEP”, public employees receiving Social Security benefits have been subject to individual federal income tax on these Social Security benefits at the rate of 85% taxable. That is, 85% of Social Security benefits are subject to federal income taxation.

    This is a big burden on retirees !

    With this Fix the new WEP – will 85% of our Social Security benefits continue to be subject to federal income tax?

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  10. Sharon, retired TEXAS TEACHER

    Chairman Brady introduces a bill (IS THERE A BILL OR JUST A PROPOSAL?) and has a PR event about the unfairness of this heinous law every two years in each new Congress. So far? NADA, NOTHING, NO HELP, NO TEACHER OR FIREFIGHTER OR POLICE OFFICER OR HIGHWAY PATROL OFFICER HELPED IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER. I personally placed stacks of letters and petitions into Mr. Brady’s hands at a town hall meeting MANY YEARS ago on this very issue. Many of us sent testimony to the SS Subcommittee Hearings for the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD! Teachers and other public servants have been working on this issue for DECADES!! All the bills simply SIT IN COMMITTEE AND DIE.
    ALL TALK AND NO ACTION AS THESE FOLKS RETIRE INTO POVERTY.
    ARE YOU AWARE, MR. BRADY, OF THE AWFUL THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING TO TEXAS TEACHERS REGARDING RETIREMENT INSURANCE? WE DEFINITELY DESERVE OUR EARNED SS!
    BAH HUMBUG.
    MAY I EAT MY WORDS IF HE REALLY AND TRULY FIXES THIS.
    AS CHAIR OF WAYS AND MEANS, HE COULD SINGLE HANDEDLY FIX THIS. THE CURRENT MAN IN THE OVAL OFFICE WILL SIGN ANYTHING. SEND HIM A BILL, MR. BRADY!!!

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    1. A Much Needed But Below Poverty Earning Para

      I agree. This has been ongoing seems like forever. There have been no results and frankly I don’t expect to see any results in my lifetime. Rep. Brady has been making noise about the WEP for as long as I have been employed by the school district, which is after I spent many many years employed in a job in which I paid into SS. I feel I stand alone, but I will make the following statement publicly now. When I applied to the school district, never was there a mention at the time of application that there’s this evil WEP and what it can do. I would have turned around and walked out. But I feel I now stand alone and it’s my word against theirs. Should I waste my breath to pursue something in which I don’t have a chance? Me against the world sort of? Anyone reading this, if you had no inkling about WEP when hired, please write back.
      With that, all that is left is that I, and all the public employees, want repeal of the WEP, which Rep. Brady supposedly has been steering for forever. Those of us who have been following this are totally disappointed and have lost faith, Rep Brady. All those above thankful notes are most likely from newer employees to the system who are unaware of the failure to further this cause. But surely they will see the truth when this is drawn on and on and there is no action and just words by our elected ones,

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  11. Judy Malandruccolo

    Thank you for working on this. I taught public school in Texas for 29 years, paying into TRS all years. I have worked full or part time since retiring, putting into SS. I am 65 and decided to apply for my SS. According to the WEP formula, I get 1/3 less from SS than I should be receiving. According to the replacement bill, I might be able to retire completely.
    Please keep us informed of progress on this or advise if there is anything or anyone we can contact to make sure this gets out of committee and gets passed. Thank you.

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  12. Edna williams

    My husband drew a ss, but at his death I was not able to draw it because I was a retired teacher. I think I should be able to draw tha because we were married 34 years. However since I draw my own teacher retirement I get nada. The law is very unfair I could sure use the extra income as Texas teacher retirement has not gong up at all

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  13. Margaret Watson

    Thank you so VERY much for your dedication to this issue. Retired teachers, such as myself, who have worked outside the educational setting in order to supplement retirement income, should not be penalized by the WEP. Other public servants deserve full benefits as well.

    We look forward to the day when our Social Security benefit is equitable and fair.

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  14. Barbara Hill

    I am a retired Texas teacher. My district, San Antonio Independent, paid into Social Security for all employees. My SS was earned in my teaching position plus TRS. SS keeps about $800 dollars of my money every month. I feel mine should not be kept at all as it was paid in my position. Please do something about this. Every employee of this district is robbed every month. Thank you so much.

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  15. KathyAnderson

    Thank you. I worked “ on the economy” for 19 years, and at 66 I expect to get only 400 dollars when I sign up for SS. I’m afraid to sign up, even though I have my pension, because I fear that when WEP is repealed, it won’t be retroactive. My pension pays me 2400 a month, not enough to get by on, and if my husband dies, I will get no survivor benefits. But one of my greatest fears is for my profession. There is a teacher shortage. Why should people change their professions in midcareer, if they risk losing the SS benefits they have paid into for years?
    Please keep us informed of the progress of your proposal.

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  16. Patti Gray

    I, too, am thoroughly disgusted by the lack of action regarding the bills that have been in committee EVERY year in regard to this issue. I am a retired Texas teacher – I taught school in Oklahoma for 18 years, and paid into SS. I then moved to Texas, and taught for 20 years, but did not pay into social security. I did have enough quarters to qualify for SS, and should have received around $700 a month. Due to the WEP, I receive only $283 per month. My husband, who received SS, passed away in March. Using the formula and my income amounts (2400 per month from TRS, and 283 from SS), I was told I make too much money to draw any of his social security! I have signed and sent several petitions over the years to senators, congressmen, etc. to try to find a solution to this unfair practice. It is time to make something happen!! I personally think I should be entitled to the full amount of my SS benefits and the full amount of my teacher pension. I worked for and earned the right to be paid for both, with no reduction whatsoever. And we wonder why we have a shortage of teachers!

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  17. Kathleen Chance

    Thanks for the Start on this. I worked for many years in the oil and gas industry (read that as I paid into SS for more than my 40 quarters). Then I went to work as a Librarian in a school system. How was I rewarded? instead of collecting the $1,700.00 plus dollars a month along with my retirement for which I worked, I only get $428.00 per month out of which $115.00 is taken out for insurance, leaving me with $313.00 per month SS. Now tell me where it is fair that I don’t get to collect the money I paid into SS. Why should it be “proportioned” out…..I paid it in good faith that I would receive it.

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  18. Herbert Clevenger

    It’s time to repeal the unfair WEP and GPO! The amount we should get should be based on what they show that one should receive before using the WEP formula. There is a bill before congress and the senate now. These were introduced earlier this year and nothing is happening! I believe that there is 80 + democrats that have signed on and only 40 republicans on the house bill. This should be a win, win for republicans and democrats to vote to repeal this unfair WEP, GPO and get a bill to President Trump soon. Under the new tax bill they left the standard deduction in for seniors 65 and older. With that the average net increase amounts to only $25 extra in tax savings. With Medicare premiums going up that takes the 2% cola away from us as well. If senators and congressman are truly sensitive to our specific needs and understand the hardship that many of us are facing on a daily bases they would get this done in a month. No wonder we lack confidence in those that we elect and are there to represent us. I too have written my local senators and my representatives in the house with no response. I have enclose information on the current tax bill that is in the house. Have you signed on to the current house bill Senator Brady? You should fully support it and lets get something done. I’m enclosing information for viewers to follow.

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  19. Herbert Clevenger

    Obviously I typed incorrectly when I referred to current tax bill and actually was referring to H.R. 1205 that is before congress. Senator Brady hasn’t signed on as a cosponsor!

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  20. Peg Long

    The WEP and GPO hit female retirees especially hard as their lifetime earnings, including any social security qualifying wages, tend to be much lower than their spouses’. It is not uncommon for a retired female with a government pension to net $0 of her deceased spouse’s social security benefits. And the impact of these two provisions is rarely known prior to retirement or the spouse’s passing, long after additional life insurance could have been part of retirement planning. Where is the AARP on this issue? We could sure use their clout.

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  21. Maribeth Petro

    Hi Mr. Brady and Committee:
    Please make the WEP fair. I like your plan. I am a retired California teacher who only worked eleven years in California after moving from Iowa where I paid into Social Security as a teacher. WEP hits hard at $313 take home after they take out for Medicare.

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  22. William Gravenkemper

    If Congressman Brady admits that WEP/GPO is unfair why doesn’t the Ways and Means Committee release HR1215 so the voters will know who truly opposes the WEP/GPO before the next election.

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  23. KATHERINE KRON

    ITS NOW 2018 AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED! THEY NEED TO GET RID OF THE WEP ALL TOGETHER – IF YOU EARNED SOCIAL SECURITY YOU GET ALL OF IT. IF YOU EARNED TRS YOU GET ALL OF IT OR GIVE TECAHCERS A CHOICE WHERE THEY DONT PAY INTO THIS MESS. ALSO I HAVE NEVER SEEN A TRS REPRESENTATIVE MEET AT PUBLIC SCHOOLS HALF THE TEEAHER’S DONT KNOW ABOUT IT! I WILL JUST TAKE THE SOCIAL SECURITY AND NOT RETIRE FROM TEACHING- MEANING I WILL NOT APLLY FOR IT- BECAUSE IF I DO ,I GET LESS OVER ALL, IF I TAKE TRS! ITS TERRIBLE AND THE GOVERMENT NEEDS TO STOP ALL THIS WELFARE MESS WHERE PEOPLE LIVE OFF THIS FOR YEARS AND DONT WORK- BECUASE THEY DONT DOUBLE CHECK THIS STUFF! STOP PAYING PEOPLE FOR MAKING BABIES THEY CANT SUPPORT- ALL THEY DO IS MAKE BABIES FOR A PROFIT SO THEY CAN COLLECT WELFARE! I SEE IN TEXAS ALL THE TIME!

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  24. bob

    Thank you Representative Brady. The Windfall Elimination Tax needs repealed. If you earned social security, you should get all of it. I have earned it and have the maximum time to retire in Ohio. Unfortunately, my social security will be reduced and I had the maximum quarters to get full social security benefits but for my government pension. It is a travesty that hard working Americans get penalized by this unjust law as well as by the government pension offset provision.

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  26. Melissa Holycross

    Dear Representative Brady,

    I just found this website and agree with the other responses. I earned over 40 credits toward Social Security and worked 15+years for CU in Boulder, Colorado. After turning 63, I relocated to Bellingham, WA due to Colorado’s high cost of living and health issues. Unfortunately, I’ve been unable to find a suitable part time position and have relied on my PERA retirement as well as a very small portion of my Social Security. Yes, SS docked my potential retirement from SS due to the PERA retirement. Please note that even though I’ve worked a great many years, I never made a substantial amount of money, but at least I could pay for rent, food & clothing. I love my America, but I’m also extremely upset about the Windfall Act of 1983. Thank you for going to bat for those of us who have been financially challenged regarding the hard-earned retirements we all deserve but have been unduly denied and penalized for our work efforts. Blessings…

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  27. William Gravenkemper

    I am a retired public school custodian from Ohio. When I retired I realized I wouid be better off if I was an illegal immigrant.

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  28. Kathleen Chance

    Dear Honorable Mr. Brady
    I realize I am not in your District, but you are over the U.S. House Ways and Means Committee. It is way past time to stop talking and fix this. I have heard that it is being “considered” and a bill is being “drafted for the last 34 some odd years.

    While I greatly appreciate your efforts in trying to eliminate the unfair WEP, but wish you would also consider the GPO- Government Pension Offset as it also is being used against Texas Educators.
    Take me for instance. I worked most of my young career (starting at 16) paying into Social Security. I earned more than my 40 quarters. I worked as a professional in the Oil and Gas industry until the early 80’s when it went bust. I then started working as an educator in the Texas Education system where I worked 28 years. Imagine my surprise and great disappointment to learn that because of the WEP and GPO I would only receive $299.00 of my Social Security that I paid into. With the latest “raise” I received it is now $313.99 and I have been retired since 2009, and since retirement have not received a substantial raise from TRS.
    Now how is that in any way fair or just. Texas Educators deserve better than this. Please make this right for not only current educators but also for all the retired Educators who worked and paid into the system that is now penalizing us.

    Sincerely,

    Kathleen Chance

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    1. Stephanie Smith

      Something is off with the amount of SS you get. A professional in Oil and Gas should make a decent salary. The most I earned before being picked up full-time by the Federal Government at the age of 28 was $10,452 and according Social Securities online calculator I will get $255.

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  29. Dianna

    I appreciate that Rep Brady is working on this issue but I don’t understand why his plan is to prorate the benefit for public workers when those on the outside with a pension and SS get to collect the entire amount of SS( not prorated). Seems like public servants will still be punished for working in both sectors.

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    1. Monty Exter

      Dianna,

      As the largest group advocating for educators in Texas, ATPE certainly believes that granting educators the maximum amount of SSI, on top of their TRS pension, would be an entirely appropriate policy decision! That said, the original rational for the WEP was that were an educators wages, which were not subject to SSI taxes, included in her lifetime earnings when calculating the multiplier used to determine her SSI benefit, the multiplier would be much smaller. The smaller multiplier times the wages upon which SSI taxes were collected would therefore produce a smaller SSI benefit. Because an educator’s non-SSI taxed wages are not included in her total lifetime earnings under current law, she looks like a very low wage earner and receives a much higher SSI multiplier than would any person with similar lifetime wages that had been subject to SSI taxes. The WEP was designed to offset this effect. Unfortunately, it does so with an arbitrary reduction that often over compensates, or over-reduces, an educators SSI payment, as compared to the amount it has been increased by the arbitrarily high multiplier. While the Brady bill does not simply grant educators access to the higher multiplier used for very low wage earners, which would give them the highest possible SSI payment, it does fix the problem of over correction the WEP often causes. The Brady bill does this by essentially calculating each educators multiplier based on there total lifetime wages not just the wages that were subject to SSI taxes. This is both a fairer system than current law and produces higher benefits for most educators that would otherwise be subject to the WEP. ATPE will continue to advocate for no reduction in an educators SSI, but in the mean time this is a meaningful step forward.

      If you have any additional questions about the WEP, GPO, SSI, or TRS please feel free to contact me through the ATPE state office.

      Thanks,
      Monty Exter
      ATPE Government Relations

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  30. Dianna

    Also, what about the GPO?? Why because I work in the public sector should I not be able to collect on my husbands SS when everyone else can?????

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    1. Monty Exter

      Again, as an advocate for educators, ATPE certainly thinks there is amply justification for allowing educators to collect both their TRS pension and their spouses full SSI benefit, after their passing. However it is not correct that “everyone else can” collect both their own SSI and their spouses’ full SSI benefit. In fact, other than widows with no substantial life time earnings, no one gets to collect both. In the situation where both spouses are qualified to receive SSI and one spouse passes, the surviving spouse continues to receive their own SSI. The deceased spouse’s SSI is then offset on a dollar for dollar basis by the amount of the surviving spouses SSI. If the deceased spouses SSI is higher than that of the surviving spouse, the surviving gets their own SSI benefit plus that difference. Practically speaking, the surviving spouse ends up getting the amount of whichever benefit was higher, theirs or their spouses. In the case of two spouses where one spouse paid into a government pension plan (such as TRS) in lieu of paying into SSI and the other spouse was qualified for SSI, the surviving spouse’s Pension is treated as if it were their SSI payment, since they paid into the pension system in lieu of paying into SSI. The difference here is that instead of being subject to a dollar for dollar offset, the Pension/TRS benefit only reduces the deceased spouses’ SSI benefit 66 cents on the dollar. So if its only a 2/3 offset, why do TRS recipients often get no spousal SSI? Its because TRS benefits are so much richer than SSI benefits that 2/3 of a educators TRS payment is still often greater that 100% of their spouses SSI benefit. What perpetuates the myth that everyone else gets their husbands SSI? The stay at home widow effect. It was a simple policy decision that widows who never paid into any retirement system, SSI or government pension plan, should be able to receive their spouse’s full SSI benefit when the spouse passes. This was to prevent the result of having hundreds of thousands if not millions of destitute, potentially homeless, elderly widows to deal with, as women, who tended to be the non-wage earning spouse in past generations, also tended to outlive their husbands. That policy decision wasn’t necessarily about fairness, as those folks are receiving a benefit others don’t receive that they never paid for, but it is about practicality. Again, it is ATPE’s position that educators should also get to keep their spouses full SSI benefit after their spouse passes because educators have agreed to work long hours in a hard job over many years primarily in exchange for the promise that they will be taken care of in retirement, a promise which a less than lavish TRS pension payment often does not fully cover.

      If you have any additional questions, again, please feel free to contact me through the ATPE state office.

      Thanks,
      Monty Exter
      ATPE Government Relations

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      1. Stephanie Smith

        In, regards to your illustration, I hope Texas pays their teachers better then your sample.
        What I find extremely unfair about the WEP is money earned before it came into existence
        is considered when calculating it. To me eliminating Social Security that was earned prior
        to the bills signing is unjust.
        Senator Brady I hope and pray you can get Congress to realize the unfairness of WEP/GPO.

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  31. Stephanie Smith

    Dear Senator Brady
    Your formula may be beneficial to those who work part-time, but I do not see how it would benefit those who worked in the private sector prior to becoming Public Servants.

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  32. Stephanie Smith

    The assets of the larger trust fund (OASI), from which retirement benefits are paid, were nearly depleted in 1982. No beneficiary was shortchanged because the Congress enacted temporary emergency legislation that permitted borrowing from other Federal trust funds and then later enacted legislation to strengthen OASI Trust Fund financing. The borrowed amounts were repaid with interest within 4 years.
    Apparently the way to fix this was to keep our Social Security. Think about WEP/ GPO was signed into law the next year.

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  33. I Flores

    Yes! Thank you to all concerned making efforts towards fairness with this much needed change. I worked up to 40 years of age putting into SS as a single mom, while going to night school for 8 1/2 years, therefore, starting my teaching career late. Only to find out that I will struggle financially once retired, not receiving much of all my quarters into contribution of SS. What’s fair about that? I chose to help children suceed in their life to struggle in mine?

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  34. Rose Marques

    Senator Brady I hope and pray you can get Congress to realize the unfairness of WEP/GPO. It is such a disgrace that teachers are treated like second class citizens!!! When will the financial abuse of teachers be enough?? I can assure you that your and TRS employees are definitely better by far off better than a teacher’s. All because we believed that educating, leading and doing what is the best interest of a child, would be our a great gift to give to mankind!!

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